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Beatty: [00:00:00.15] So we are going to continue on this series of identity. And who are we in Christ? This is going to be a really interesting topic tonight because this is something no one really understands, and yet it’s throughout the Bible. Just real quick, before we get into all this stuff, I just want for my podcast listeners out there who are listening to this by audio, just want to remind you get a chance to come watch the video of this because I do draw up a lot of things and it makes a lot more sense. So if you’re listening to this by audio, let me encourage you. You can come to our podcast channel depending on what channel. If you’re on, get radical faith that’s get radical faith dot com. If you’re on the Get Sellers Calling You channel you can watch the video It’.s a lot better and the second time through these things a lot of times you’ll pick up a lot more. Be sure to subscribe. You can either subscribe to our YouTube channel, get sellers calling you. You can subscribe to our audio podcast. Get sellers calling you or if you’re listening to it, just on our radical faith podcast, it’s Get Radical Faith. You can also join in live. If you want to watch these live and participate, just go to GetRadicalFaith.com and click on Bible study.
Beatty: [00:01:19.95] And the last thing is, this is something really important. This stuff that I’m teaching is really unusual. It’s straight from scripture, but a lot of times we miss it. And so I want to encourage everyone just to come back and watch this again on YouTube and just see it again. It’s like lasagna. Once you see it and you come back and eat it again, all the flavors melt. So with that, let’s get started. We are on a series called Identity, and the whole idea about identity is very simple is what you believe. About who you are determines what you do and what you do determines what you get. That’s a very simple thing. James and I just came back from a training my son James in South Africa from a ministry we support, and he was talking about this concept of repentance and that what repentance actually means is to after think it’s two words. The first part, the Greek is to come after, and the second part is to think. And what it means is, is after think. So repentance is where you move forward. You do something and you think afterwards and say, Oh, I should not have done that. And you kind of come back and repent. It’s a changing of the.
Speaker2: [00:02:45.71] Paradigm.
Beatty: [00:02:46.61] And the idea about the changing of the paradigm is once you believe something new, then by believing something new, you will change what you do. And if you change what you do, then you’ll change who you are. And this is the whole idea of coming into conforming to the image of Christ. You cannot conform to the image of Christ through an exertion of your will. You only conform through being transformed on the inside, which is the renewing of your mind. And that’s where all of this is focused on. So a few sessions back when we started this, one of the topics we talked about was Do Christian Sin. We all remember that. And what’s the conclusion? The Christian sin? Yes or no? No. Good job, Trace. And what we found this is really interesting is that Paul tells us that we’re no longer under law but under grace. That is the law that convicts of sin, because sin is the breaking of the law. So if we’re no longer under law, we cannot send. It’s the example we used back then was driving 100 miles an hour on the road. If I’m traveling on the interstate here in the US at 100 miles an hour, I’m breaking the law. I’m going to get put in jail. If I’m traveling 100 miles an hour on the Autobahn. There is no.
Speaker2: [00:04:12.44] Law.
Beatty: [00:04:13.78] It’s perfectly fine. It’s the same activity. They’re both just equally equally as dangerous. But one is under law, and therefore I can be blamed for it, and the other is no law. And therefore I cannot be blamed for it. It was a real difficult thing to understand, but it’s very clear in Scripture the last two sessions we started talking about how the body, soul and spirit interact and we talk about a simple diagram. You may remember like an ice cream cone turned to the side, stuck into another ice cream cone, turned into the side, and that’s then stuck into a an ice cream scoop. And what we have is that the spirit? Is superior to and preeminent to the soul. And the soul is superior to and preeminent to the body. So we’re body, soul and spirit. But everything flows down from the spirit to the soul to the body. And therefore, when we’re born again, it’s our spirit that’s made new. It’s our spirit because the law is spiritual. It says in Romans seven that sin is in the spiritual realm. But if we are brand new in the spirit and we have no sin there, then it truncates all the way down. What we’re going to talk about today is something really is on the same topic. But it’s going to be. Quite interesting. And the general idea is what is sent. Let me tell you this up real quick. Is sin an entity or is it an action?
Speaker2: [00:06:00.05] What do you think?
Beatty: [00:06:02.24] An entity or an action? It’s an action. So we all think of sin as being an action. It’s a trick question because it really depends on who you are. Regenerate, believer or non regenerate nonbeliever. So watch this. We’re going. Let’s turn to our main cortex. We’re going to do for tonight. This is Romans seven versus ten and 11. And by the way, we have a lot of passages we’re going to go through to tonight. So get ready. Romans Seven verses ten and 11. And it says, and this is in the NLT translation. So I discovered that the law’s commands, which were supposed to bring life, brought spiritual death. Instead, sin took advantage of those commands and deceived me. It used the commands to kill me. Watch this. This is talking about sin as a living entity within us. It’s not part of us. It’s not who we are. So think about this. We always think of sin as an action, as something we do. But this passage starts to say that it’s an entity and let me see. It says that Sen deceived me to kill me. That’s an entity. That’s something that has a will of its own or the appearance of its will of its own. So what I want to do real quick is where does send originate? Where does send originate? Go ahead, trace the garden.
Beatty: [00:07:53.27] Let’s talk about where does it originate in man? So we know that it originates back to during the time of Adam. But if I would just say generally in man, where does it originate? Eating the fruit. The right is separating from God’s plan. But where does Jesus say it comes from? From the heart. And do we know where that where that passage is? So let’s turn there. It’s Matthew 527 and 28. This is real interesting because where to send originate actually depends on who you are. If you are a non believer, send originates somewhere different than if you are a believer according to scripture. And by the way, if I misread or misinterpret the clear meaning of any of these passages, speak up. So Matthew 527 and 28. This is Jesus talking. And he says, You’ve heard that it was said you shall not commit adultery. But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. So this says sin originates where? In the heart? Who is he talking to? Is Jesus talking to born again believers or non born again people.
Speaker2: [00:09:33.86] In this story? He’s probably talking to John.
Beatty: [00:09:36.41] Yes. To non believers, non born again. And technically, that’s right. It couldn’t have been because no one gets born again until the resurrection or he’s the first born in many, many brothers. Right. So he’s talking to non believers what we would call non believers send originates in the heart. But where does it originate in the Believer? What do you all think? Not sure. All right, So let’s we’re going to go through a series of verses, passages right now. This is really interesting. Ezekiel 3626. Pull that up. Ezekiel 3626. All right. Ezekiel 36. 26. And it says, and I will give you a new heart and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. What are you talking about? The heart of stone. This is representative of when God created a covenant with Israel and He put the commandments on on stone tablets. Right?
Speaker2: [00:10:52.76] Well.
Beatty: [00:10:53.69] They’re on stone tablets because their heart was of stone. They were constantly rebellious. So here. The word says that. And this is talking about the believers. I’m going to give you a new heart and a new spirit. So those are people who are born again. And it says that those people, born again believers, are given a new heart. Right. So then let’s turn to Jeremiah 31 versus 31 and 33. I’m going to connect these three passages together. Together. Ezekiel, Jeremiah 31 versus 31 and 33.
Speaker2: [00:11:39.87] 31 and 33.
Beatty: [00:11:42.54] So in Ezekiel, it says that we’re going to be given a new heart. Now we’re going to learn something a little bit more about this heart. Jeremiah Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the House of Israel and the House of Judah. Dot, dot, dot. Moving on to verse 33 four, This is the covenant that I will make with the House of Israel. After those days, declares the Lord. I will put my law within them and I will write it on their hearts. So in Ezekiel, we say that God’s going to give us a new heart. And Jeremiah, we see that he’s going to write his covenant on our heart. Does that make sense? What does God’s covenant. That’s his law. A little background. So the Lord says that you shall be holy because I am holy. This is where Paul writes about marrying someone to not be unequally yoked. So God says, You shall be holy, for I am holy and I’m going to marry the nation of Israel. Israel was on holy. So he creates a covenant. It’s say actually a marriage vow, the Ten Commandments, and it represents God’s standard of holiness. Every single one of those Ten Commandments is a standard of holiness for the Lord representing something unique about the Lord. For example, number one, you shall have no other gods before me because I am God.
Beatty: [00:13:21.83] There is no other God. Number five, which is you shall honor your mother and your father and your mother. They are your earthly creator representing the shadow of your Heavenly Creator. It’s an attribute of God. You then have a numbers six, seven, eight. You shall not steal. And the reason you’re not supposed to steal is because God gave that person what he has. And you’re not to take what God gave someone and take it from you. Or number ten you shall not covet. God is the one who apportions to each of us what we have and to covet. We’re judging God and say, You’re not good enough to me. You didn’t give me something good. I want what you gave someone else. And we’re dissatisfied and discontent. So each one of the Ten Commandments is actually a represents a holy standard of the Lord. And that becomes the marriage covenant. This is where God says later in Jeremiah that I divorced Israel because she broke the covenant. She played the harlot. And so now what’s what’s happening here in Jeremiah 31 is he says, I’m going to I’m going to do a new covenant. The New Covenant is not a new set of holy standards. The New Covenant is the old covenant reposition from a heart of stone to a heart of flesh.
Beatty: [00:14:51.42] That’s all it is. Because the covenant is God’s Word. It says that you all familiar. You have the Ark of the Covenant, right? It’s also called the Ark of the testimony, because the Covenant is the testimony, which is God’s word. And so now that testimony is written on our hearts and not on the tablets of stone. So we see that in Jeremiah that this now is the covenant law. We can put this in parentheses. This is the covenant is the law. And what does the law do? The law governs sin. If you break the law, that’s the definition of sin. So now we have a new heart in Ezekiel. The law is written on our heart in Jeremiah. Now, let’s look at one more thing on this. Romans eight verses four and nine. This is really cool. Romans eight versus four and nine. Okay. And I’ll start. Romans eight verse four says, In order that the righteous requirement of the law, this is the covenant might be fulfilled in us who walk not according to the flesh, but according to the spirit. So the righteous requirement of the law is fulfilled in us who walk according to the spirit. That’s verse eight, verse four. But then we say, What does it mean to walk according to the spirit? Or do you all think Any ideas?
Speaker2: [00:16:24.48] If you want.
Beatty: [00:16:25.47] So what does it mean to not to walk according to the spirit? This is first nine.
Speaker2: [00:16:32.16] You control the spirit.
Beatty: [00:16:33.42] Almost. It’s not control. Yeah. So verse nine says, You, however, are not in the flesh, but in the spirit if in fact, the spirit of God dwells in you. So this is the mark of the believer. When God says He’s going to give us a new spirit, a new heart and a new spirit, right? The new spirit is His spirit comes and dwells in our spirit. And so if the Spirit of God dwells in you, then you walk according to the Spirit, not according to the flesh. Which means here in Romans eight four, it says that the righteous requirement of the law is fulfilled. The law is fulfilled in us. Do you see that in verse for the righteous requirement of the law? The standard of holiness is fulfilled in us. So here’s the question. If the.
Speaker2: [00:17:38.70] Law.
Beatty: [00:17:39.60] Is fulfilled in our heart, can sen be in our heart? If law is fulfilled in our heart can send.
Speaker2: [00:17:52.51] Bee in our heart. Okay.
Beatty: [00:17:56.58] No, that’s right. And all this is technical, right? So this is this is the cool thing. So watch this. If sin cannot be in our heart because the law is fulfilled in our heart. Then where to send originate for the believer? And it originates.
Speaker2: [00:18:19.20] Watch this.
Beatty: [00:18:20.46] Not in our heart. So now we start to see there’s a difference between the nonbeliever and the believer. The non believer. Jesus says that sin originates in the heart. All you have to do is lust in your heart. You just broken that. Okay? So where does all this take us? Where does sin originate? And that means where sin originates is for the nonbeliever. It originates in the heart. It does not originate in the heart, in the Believer. And so for the believer, where does sin come from?
Speaker2: [00:19:02.25] Now we are establishing that leverage.
Beatty: [00:19:05.07] Yes, we. That’s exactly what we as established believers don’t send. I’m hitting it from a different angle. So. But the question then is, is there still sin that resides in us?
Speaker2: [00:19:20.56] I still feel like. Yes.
Beatty: [00:19:22.67] Yes. So how can we not send. Yet sin still exists in us.
Speaker2: [00:19:31.51] Our physical body. Body is body and soul and spirit, right? So then we establish the separation between the soul and spirit of this body.
Beatty: [00:19:46.86] But the body is still part of us, right? And so the Yeah, so so this is this is the conundrum. The conundrum is body, soul and spirit. Body, soul and spirit. This represents who we are.
Speaker2: [00:20:05.88] That’s you.
Beatty: [00:20:07.23] You’re neither one, but not to the exclusion of the other. You’re all three of them. So if sin resides anywhere in you. Then how can you not send? That’s a big question. If sin resides in you, maybe it resides in your body. If it resides in you, how can you not? If the believer does not have sin, does not send. So I wanted to suggest that there is an entity of sin, that sin is an entity. You know, we ask the question, is sin an action or an entity? We always think of sin as an action. Send as an intent from the heart. If you’re a nonbeliever. That’s what Jesus is talking about when he says, if you lust after someone, you’ve already committed adultery. But as a believer, what happens? And this is kind of cool. So we’re going to go back to. Romans 711 now. Now we want to take you to through a series of passages and show you what not only Paul, but some other scriptures talk about on this topic, because this is really interesting. Romans 711. And it says that sin took advantage of those commands and deceived me. It used the commands to kill me. So let me draw this out real quick. So we got Romans 711. And it says, Sin deceived me. And why did it deceive me to kill me? Does that sound like an action? Or does that sound like an entity?
Speaker2: [00:22:23.70] But to be saying something like that stay jumped up and try to get me. But I’m walking through every state. It could not be. Say that.
Beatty: [00:22:34.89] It could be. But even then, that stick is still an entity. It’s not part of you and it is something separate.
Speaker2: [00:22:45.21] But you did an action which made it jump up. And did you?
Beatty: [00:22:50.76] Okay, so let’s then break this down. That’s a good point. So can we establish that in the stick scenario? I’m walking down. The stick pops up on me and I say, Oh, that stick just jumped up on me. Right? That the stick is an actual something. It’s not imaginary. It’s not an idea. It’s physical. It’s something. It’s an entity. Not not the action of the stick, but the stick itself.
Speaker2: [00:23:19.71] Adultery is not optional or training your parents is also an action that is also you doing it is this is an.
Beatty: [00:23:32.97] Action, right? So now we’re now we’re looking at the action of something. So bear with me for this moment with with this passage. It says, Sin deceived me to kill me. What we have is an entity. If we look at just this one passage, sin is being talked about as an entity that has an action that it attempts to do. It deceived me to accomplish an outcome or an objective. An entity creates an action to create an outcome. Sin deceive me to kill me. I’m going to show you some more passages here to show you that this is not a one time occurrence in just this one verse. But we’re going to see this throughout. We’ll watch this. What this is saying, and this is the point I want to make, is and keep mine. Romans The book of Romans is talking to believers. This is Romans 711. And so Paul is talking to believers and he is saying that sin is not something that we choose to do. It’s something that is within us or something that is not us, it says. Sin took advantage of those commands, talking about the commands of the law, and it deceived me using the commands to kill me. Let’s look at let’s turn a couple passages, a couple of verses over Romans 717. So now Paul continues this same passage, same thing.
Beatty: [00:25:22.98] This is now Romans 717. And he says, So now it is no longer I who do it but sin that dwells within me. So look at this, Paul actually is talking about before Christ and after Christ. In our terminology, he’s talking about sin and he confesses that he used to sin. It is no now, no longer I who do it. Meaning at some point it used to be me. It used to be I who said. But now it is no longer I who do it. He says it is by my verse. It is sin that dwells within me. So at one point the action of sin was me. But now the action of sin is no longer me. It’s said that dwells in me. This is right after he’s talked about we’re no longer under law but under grace. Go back to us a little bit to Romans 612. This is now we’re going to be Romans 612. We’re parking in Romans for just a little bit on these passages. I just want to show you this pattern. It’s really amazing. Romans 612 says, therefore, do not let sin reign in your mortal body. So that you obey its evil desires. Does that sound like it’s something that’s you or something that is not?
Speaker2: [00:27:00.32] I’m not. Not you.
Beatty: [00:27:03.06] If it’s not you, it can’t be an action. Nor in intent where it used to be centers of the heart, which was in intent. But now we got a new heart with a new covenant written on it, and that covenant has been fulfilled. For those who walk according to the spirit, because the spirit dwells in you. And now Paul is saying there’s no longer I who do it but send that dwells in me and therefore do not let send reign in your mortal body. All of these are these are not metaphors. Just trying to describe something. Paul is saying something very specific that. Sin is something not of us. Let’s turn one more to Romans 613. One one verse over. This is really interesting. It says, Romans 613 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness. But present yourself to God as those who have been brought from death to life and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. So what we have is we, He says, we have members of our body. He said, no longer present the members to sin, but instead present the members to God. Almost making sin the opposite of God. Not exactly an opposite, but do you see that he’s contrasting one versus the other? When we present our members to God, we’re presenting our members to an entity. When we present our members to send. We’re presenting it to an entity. All throughout these passages we see this same pattern.
Beatty: [00:28:59.08] So I want to shift and talk about sin is something that’s in us. It’s not us. It’s in us. If you think about a virus, a virus is in me. But it’s not me. Romans 720. And I’m going to read it from the NLT. Romans 720 says, If I do what I don’t want to do. I am not really the one doing it. It is sin living in me that does it. Paul continues to use this terminology. It’s not me. But here’s what I want to show you. It’s not just Paul’s writings. Even though if even if it was just Paul’s writings, that’s still scripture. Right? But turn to Hebrews 12 one. I want to show you something else. This is a famous passage. Hebrews 12 one. And it says, and I quote, Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight and sin which clings so closely and let us run with endurance. The race that is set before you. I’ll recognize that passage. Yeah, Look what it says. Since we’re surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, the first thing the author of Hebrews, which is not, Paul, says, Let us also lay aside every weight. So the picture I want you to get is you lay aside something that’s not part of you, but it’s something that encompasses you. It’s something that may be hindering you.
Beatty: [00:30:43.60] And the writer of Hebrew says, Lay it aside. And then right after that, it joins it with and also lay aside the sin. Which clings so closely, lay aside every weight. And then it says to lay aside essentially sin which clings so closely. So the picture I’ve got is imagine you’ve got like, you know how you’ve got a. If you ever walk through the woods and you’re walking through Briers, you get all these briers that are now clinging to your pants. And as you’re walking, you’re dragging them through. That’s the thing that he’s talking about. That sin is clinging to you. It’s not you, but it’s clinging. And it says, Lay it aside. Hebrews is saying that this that sin is not part of you. It’s something different. And we see, again, if you go a couple of verses down, Hebrews 12 four. And this is really interesting. Hebrews 12 four says, In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. What is this? The Greek for struggle is a funny word. If I can pronounce this call antagonism, I have no idea how to pronounce it. But it’s actually a compound word and Thai is the first word. And that means to over against anti over against. And then I go into zombie means to contend with an adversary. So what this means is basically to strive against our struggle is against sin.
Beatty: [00:32:32.19] Sin is an adversary. It’s not part of us. It’s not a it’s not a temptation in us. It’s not it’s not an evil desire within us. That would be us. This is saying that we struggle against sin as an adversary, as we would in a battle. And we’re battling an adversary and we’re struggling against him. That’s the picture that Hebrews is giving us, which is the same thing that Paul is giving us enrollments. Okay. And that’s why Paul claims that he doesn’t send it is no longer I who said but said that dwell is within me and I want to give you a less illustration or two and then we’ll wrap up. This will be a short session I was thinking about how can you illustrate this? Because there are things that I do that are sinful, right? And there are things that. You look at those things from our naturalized and we say, Well, I just said, but yet the Bible says that we don’t send. What is it that’s going on? So let me show this to you. This is interesting. So we have a robot here. Okay, So if we use this Marvel Comics robot that we see, I think, is it Iron Man? I think. And we have three pieces of this robot. We have number one, We have the robot. Number two, we have the owner of the robot. And number three, we have the operator.
Speaker2: [00:34:13.68] Ock.
Beatty: [00:34:15.79] So now imagine for a moment that this robot goes out and there’s a car and it clobbers the car and it squashes it down. Who’s at fault. Did the robot send? No. Did the owner of that robot sin? No. Who is responsible for squashing the car?
Speaker2: [00:34:45.49] For the operator.
Beatty: [00:34:49.03] That is within the robot. Okay. And that’s what we start to see in all these passages is the send that dwells in me. And when Paul says, Hey, when I do things I don’t want to do. Don’t blame me. It’s not me. It said that dwells within me when that robot goes out and crushes a car. Hey, don’t blame the robot. Don’t blame me. Who owns the robot? It’s that operator.
Speaker2: [00:35:22.24] That’s.
Beatty: [00:35:22.66] Within the robot that’s causing it to do that. And as believers in Christ, we’ve got to separate out who we are. We are the robot and the owner versus what we do, which is in some mysterious way send operating through us. I don’t fully grasp it, but what I do grasp in Scripture is very clear. That is not us.
Speaker2: [00:35:57.75] Are you saying that we’re not responsible for? I mean, we do still do simple things, right? So who takes responsibility for something that we do that we that we are sinful and we hurt somebody or we gossip or we. You know, do something simple. We need to take responsibility for our own actions. If we do do something or say something bad or.
Beatty: [00:36:20.45] Yeah, so hurt someone. Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ. So if there’s. If there’s no condemnation. Then you can’t be blamed for. I’m talking on a technical sense because this is a technical issue. But I know where you’re coming from and I totally get it. Watch this. Sen. It actually has two functions.
Speaker2: [00:36:54.80] Okay.
Beatty: [00:36:56.90] When you look at sin, sin does two things. Number one, it separates us from God. Separates from God. Right. This is where Jesus had to come and redeem us so that we can have reconciliation with the Lord. Does that make sense? Okay. The second thing that sin does is it creates legal rights for tormenting spirits to torment us. This is what Jesus talks about in the parable of the unmerciful servant. And he ends up that parable. This is about the master forgives a huge debt for a servant. That servant goes out and takes another servant, give me my money and throws him in prison. So the master comes back to the first servant, says, You wicked servant. I forgave you all of this. Shouldn’t you have forgiven your servant the little amount? But because you didn’t. I’m going to throw you in the dungeon and let the torturers torture you until you pay your amount in full. So that’s the parable then Jesus is talking to his disciples, because Peter came up to and said, You know how often I try to forgive my brother? Seven times. So that’s how this parable started. And Jesus then wraps up the parable and he says to his disciples.
Beatty: [00:38:27.02] So too will my Heavenly Father do to you if you do not forgive your brother? In other words, what he’s talking about is unforgiveness, as I said. And when we send, then it opens up legal rights for tormentors to torment us, to bring us to repentance. This is a whole series that I taught on spiritual warfare, how to get free of torments, addictions and constant life failures. So back to the conundrum that you’re experiencing on this is. We have been forgiven of our sin. Past, present and future which separates us from God. Full reconciliation. But the reality of it is we have been made new. We’ve been made without sin. We have been made perfect no longer under law, but under grace. We are no longer condemned and no longer blamed. For the actions that we do because we’re no longer under law. But there is still this residual element of being opening up legal rights. It is still in a in a sense, it is still said do not keep on sending. So we see that pattern in those scriptures. And so the easiest way I can. Reconcile. This is the fact that we are without sin. Is a heavenly.
Speaker2: [00:40:11.35] Truth.
Beatty: [00:40:14.47] And the fact that we.
Speaker2: [00:40:15.91] Still.
Beatty: [00:40:17.20] Sometimes do things, we don’t want to do that Paul says it’s no longer I who do it but send it. Well, it’s within me. And that’s going to be an earthly truth. They are.
Speaker2: [00:40:30.82] Both true.
Beatty: [00:40:31.99] And this is where the confusion comes from. But the heavenly truth is a greater truth than the earthly truth. Does this making sense help Try and bring some clarity to it. And that’s what’s happening in our last sessions when we talked about do Christian Sin. One of the things we came up with in first, John, and it says You no longer continue sinning. Because who all had been born again, the state of God no longer said. So there is no longer said. But there are the actions of sin that still creates problems. Another thing we can look at is. Looked at Romans 830. I want to show this to you. This is who are we in Christ? With this whole idea that in that robot example, it’s the operator that’s doing the actions. It’s not the robot. It’s not the owner. Romans, 830 says. And those whom he predestined. He also called in those whom he called he. Also. Here’s the point I want to show you. He justified. Made righteous. No sin. And those whom he justified, he also glorified. This is where Jesus says in Romans 17, as in the high priestly prayer, he says, I have glorified them with my glory. I have given them my glory. Talking about this, the believers. And so now we receive glorification, which is without sin. You cannot be glorified if you sin. Then if you turn over to Ephesians two five and six.
Beatty: [00:42:15.43] I’m kind of racing through these last parts. If it’s two, five and six, it says, even when we were dead in our trespasses. God made us alive. Together with Christ, dot, dot, dot, verse six and raised us up with Him. And watch this and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus. So in Christ, we’ve been justified, made righteous. We’ve been glorified can only be done when you’re holy and we’ve been seated with him in heaven. All of those mean there can be no sin. In Christ we do not send. It is the sin that dwells within us. It is this entity of sin. And the last simple illustration if you think about a Siamese twin. You have know they’re conjoined together and and they live together. Because they can’t be separated. If you think about one is you and the other one is is sin that is living within you. Then until one of you dies, you can’t separate them. And therein lies. And until our fleshly body is dead. And then we’re giving the resurrected body. We’ll never be free from the entity and the struggle in that fight with sin. So sin is still within us, but technically, it’s not us. Less conclusion. It’s not as simple as we think. It’s not. Oh, you need to stop sending. I have stopped sending. Oh, then what did you just do? Oh, that wasn’t me.
Beatty: [00:44:00.04] That was said. It wasn’t me. That’s that sin that dwells within me. And that’s what we kind of get out of this is that we have stopped sending as believers. God doesn’t see sin in our life. As some people say, God looks at us through Christ, and when he looks at us through crises, he’s perfection. But also there is word, he says, that we have been made perfect already. We are a new creation. Born of the seat of God. Carry his DNA. His characteristics. Without sin. But we still have this old part of us. This old self that still has sin in it. And that’s where we battle all the time. But we are a new creation without sin. And that, too. Why are we doing all of this? The only way we can truly walk. And conformity with Christ is to renew our mind on who we really are. If I believe that I am a sinner saved by grace and I constantly sinned and I constantly need God’s grace to continue to forgive me. I have a wrong view of who I am. I’ll never conform to the image of Christ because my belief is I am the sinner. And scripture says, you’re no longer sinner, you are sinless, you have no sin. You do not sin. It’s not you who send. They’re still sending in you. But it’s not you.
Beatty: [00:45:36.69] It’s separate from you. It’s an entity that’s at war with you. Sin is trying to deceive you, to kill you. But it’s not true. Once we realize that our battle is not against flesh and blood, it’s not against us. Is something in us. It’s a virus, then. Once we realize it’s a virus, now we can start to separate us from the action. And as we separate us from the action, we start to believe more of who we are. Then what we believe determines what we do. What we do determines what we get and if we’re going to live a more sinless life. The only way we do it is by recognizing who we really are. And then we conform to who we are rather than trying to conform to something that we’re not. And that’s kind of the the big message in coming through all of this. But it’s amazing how complete and comprehensive scripture is once you start to get the picture that I’ve been teaching on this. Then as you read through Scripture, you go, Oh, there it is again. Oh, there it is again. You’re going through things. And there’s a comment that we always glossed over because it just didn’t make sense. And now we can say, there it is again. That’s just what Beatty was saying. That’s not sin. It’s not my sin. It’s an entity that lives within. So. Questions.
Speaker2: [00:47:15.63] May I say something?
Beatty: [00:47:16.56] Yes, please.
Speaker2: [00:47:18.59] I was thinking about First John, Chapter one eight. It says, If we claim not to have sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
Beatty: [00:47:31.46] That is a very good point. So let’s look at that real quickly in light of. Another passage from John as well.
Speaker2: [00:47:40.31] Let me pull it up. This one was first, John, eight and then ten as well. All right. Well, chapter one. Sorry. Yeah, yeah.
Beatty: [00:47:49.74] I got it. So let me let me pull up something real quick. So first, John, one eight, right? Yes. All right. So we have to we have to look at all of this in context. And so when we look at the context. First, John one eight says if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves. And the truth is not in us if we confess our sins. He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we have not said we make him a liar, in his word is not in us. I would without going deep into this or looking at it at a glance, it sounds almost as if he’s talking to not necessarily to simply believers, but he’s talking in general. Because if we go over to verse chapter three, verse nine, let me show you this same book first, John three nine. He now clarifies a little bit more. He says no one born of God makes a practice of sending. For God’s sake, to Biden him. And he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. Okay. And so what this is saying is that the practice of sending. So there’s a practice of continual sending. And I think there is the the action of an individual.
Beatty: [00:49:23.43] Send you what I send. Right. And and therein lies this conundrum, what I was talking about. There’s a heavenly truth that we are may perfect. But there is an earthly truth that there’s still sin that dwells in us. We still sin. But Paul makes clear that we’re not responsible for the sin. Okay. And the heavenly truth scenario. I can say in the earthly truth scenario, we are responsible because until we repent of it, then we can open ourselves to torment. So this is one of those things that is, you know, there are two truths simultaneously gets called and to me two truths that appear to be in conflict with each other. But in reality, they’re actually both true. And I think that’s what we’re probably seeing in John in first, John. And we do see other places where even Paul says to refrain from sinning. So he he acknowledges that we said that there’s still sin that goes on. But the legal aspect of this is we’re no longer sending we’re on the autobahn. I can’t get a speeding ticket for breaking the law because there is no law against going fast. And I think that’s the point I’m making. Is that making sense?
Speaker2: [00:50:50.35] Yeah. After you brought up the. Verse and chapter three. It makes sense because it says Practice sin. But now that I look back at chapter one, verse eight, it says, If we claim not to have sin, yes, not do sin. Yeah, that makes sense.
Beatty: [00:51:14.53] That’s a great question. I’m glad you brought that up.
Speaker2: [00:51:16.90] Relation to what Paul is saying, this is dwelling in me, so I have sin, but I don’t continue to write.
Beatty: [00:51:27.19] I have said, But it’s not IUCN. Does that make sense? It’s not who I am.
Speaker2: [00:51:34.51] Yes.
Beatty: [00:51:37.24] For those who say I am a sinner, they have the wrong view of who they are. For those who say I have sent in me, but it’s not I who said that’s the right.
Speaker2: [00:51:52.08] View of who you are.
Beatty: [00:51:53.67] And as long as you think that I am a sinner. Then you will always continually send because you we all live out the fulfillment of who we believe we are. And as long as we believe that we are a sinner, we will continue to send. And when temptations come up, we will more easily give in to them, because that’s who we are. But if we understand that we do not send. That we’ve been made perfect and blameless and righteous and justified and glorify. Then we will recognize the fact that sin still lives in us. We’ll recognize the fact that we still do things that are sinful. We still give in to temptation. But it’s not I who do it but the sin that dwells.
Speaker2: [00:52:41.76] Within.
Beatty: [00:52:42.18] Me. That’s, I think, the part. And then from that standpoint, it’s easier to resist because it’s not who we are. Do you believe you.
Speaker2: [00:52:50.32] Are.
Beatty: [00:52:51.37] Will determine how.
Speaker2: [00:52:52.15] You actually live it out. I sort of. Bristle a little bit. What do you mean we don’t stand anymore? I mean, I just said, like, 2 hours ago. I just said somebody said this. It seems to me there’s still a very active battle. Not like it was, but I think more than that. I think we agree with what you’re saying, but I don’t know why we’re getting so caught up on the terminology. Oh, no, no. You don’t sit anymore in your position, but you do something that resembles I mean, it’s like, why does it matter? We get that. We get we get that. Even if we do sin, it’s no longer held against us. So why do we have to dive so deep? And it’s not a criticism?
Beatty: [00:53:34.79] No, no, that’s a great question. Why does it.
Speaker2: [00:53:36.41] Matter if we call it sin or if we’re driving sake? We’re doing the exact same thing. It’s just like, why does it matter? Why can’t we just call it sin? Because that’s what it is. It’s not honoring the God, even though God doesn’t hold it against us. I don’t disagree with what you’re saying.
Beatty: [00:53:53.33] You’re asking why the.
Speaker2: [00:53:54.44] Concept is not even that. It’s just it’s not evil. Why does it matter? But why? It is not said. What is it? And I know you’re saying sin has two components an action, an entity. I don’t want it. It doesn’t matter to make a distinction. What matter is I don’t think what matters is even if you do send, even if you do screw up, God doesn’t see you like that once you’re a believer because he sees you as as being whole.
Beatty: [00:54:23.76] So why is that important to know?
Speaker2: [00:54:26.49] What was what inferred from that.
Beatty: [00:54:28.19] That he doesn’t see you as having.
Speaker2: [00:54:30.65] Screwed up? Because it gives the freedom to grow and walk in and in the freedom that that gives us.
Beatty: [00:54:39.40] So I do something and I screw up. But God doesn’t see us as having having screwed up. Did I screw up if that happened?
Speaker2: [00:54:47.68] Yes. Okay.
Beatty: [00:54:49.33] So here’s the point. That’s important. I think what’s going on is throughout Scripture, Paul makes it very clear and throughout Scripture as he is writing, he will drop these hints in indicating this one thing. It’s not him who sends it calls people saints. He doesn’t call them sinners.
Speaker2: [00:55:11.39] It’s no longer identity. But it doesn’t mean that we’re precluded from not doing the same action.
Beatty: [00:55:18.99] You hit the nail on the head. It’s no longer our identity. But yet for many people it is. That’s the issue. Many people, because they screw up, they go, I just send again, I’m such a dirty, rotten center. Even in our even.
Speaker2: [00:55:40.54] I don’t disagree with that.
Beatty: [00:55:42.31] But and so once you but you can’t separate your identity from truth. So what is the truth? I see sin in my life. So does that not mean that I’m still a sinner? If I say, well, God doesn’t see me as sinning because he sees me through Jesus. Yet I see me. And I said.
Speaker2: [00:56:07.42] Right. I completely understand what you’re saying and what you’re trying to get at. I think the hard part for all of us is that you’re trying to call. You’re trying to call. You’re just trying to understand. Why are we trying to call the same action by a different name once we’re in a new place?
Beatty: [00:56:29.73] Because it’s what the Bible tells us it is. It says that once I get my identity of who I am, this is my identity right here. What I believe about me, what I believe about me determines ultimately.
Speaker2: [00:56:48.48] Who I am and what I do.
Beatty: [00:56:53.22] If I believe wrong about me, and I believe that I’m a sinner, even though God, I have sinned and God continually forgive, continually forgives me.
Speaker2: [00:57:02.40] Right.
Beatty: [00:57:03.24] Which is technically wrong. But what happens is I say, well, I’m still a sinner. Nothing’s changed until I get to heaven. And I can never advance forward in Revelation and Faith believing nothing’s changed. This is a few sessions back. We did a topic on the servant side. This is the brother, the prodigal son. And he lived a life of toil and drudgery, working hard for his master all the time because he did not understand who he was. He thought he was still the servant because nothing had changed. His father said, I’m now distributed my estate between you and your brother. And here it is. But the older son didn’t understand it. And because of that, his. The older son still went to work every day, slaving in the fields, toiling for his master father, hoping for just a little bit, just a little goat every now and then to have fun with his friends. And so when his prodigal brother comes back and the dad kills the fattened calf, older son gets upset. He said, I’ve worked for you all these years. I’ve slaved. I told I did everything you commanded me to do, and you never once gave me a goat. And the father said, But, son, all that I have is yours. In other words, he was the owner, but he saw himself as the servant and how he believed determine how he lived. And that’s the purpose.
Speaker2: [00:58:37.64] I completely get that. No disagreement there. The only slight disagreement is on why we’re trying to call the exact same action pre-Christian verse post Christian something different.
Beatty: [00:58:49.88] Because. Because the Bible says it’s different. That’s the only reason.
Speaker2: [00:58:55.55] Yeah. Yeah. I was just going to say my takeaway is different from the gentleman that’s speaking. I hear his point as well. But for me, what I took from your teaching tonight was my nature and my identity. My identity is in Christ, and I know for myself I have certainly struggled with work. So to know that I’m created in the image and likeness of God and under the New Covenant of Christ. It gives me a different perspective. Even though I have sinned. I have, you know, we all have. But it gives me a different perspective because I’m not walking around in the nature of sin. I’m not walking around with a with an ideal or a belief or perspective that everything I do is self reliant, is based on works. And I have struggled as a person with that concept. And that is taught in the church. You know, it’s taught in religious institutions all the time. So what you’re teaching is very true. It’s biblical and it’s freeing because until I tap into my Christ in nature, knowing that I’ve been freed from sin, I can I can live differently. And it’s not a path. It’s just truth. It’s what Christ has done for me and what God created me to be, which is in his nature and his image and likeness. So that was my takeaway.
Beatty: [01:00:38.39] I appreciate that. I remember when I was I’m not young fifties anymore, but when I was young fifties, I was thinking, Oh, I’m getting old. And when I started to think I’m getting old. I would bend down to pick up stuff and I would act like an old man. Oh, you know, I’m not sure. As slowly pick it up and not lose my balance. And then I saw someone I think was on TV or someplace, and he was in his later fifties and he was agile and jumping, you know, doing everything that a young person would do. I’m thinking.
Speaker2: [01:01:10.73] Oh.
Beatty: [01:01:11.81] Well, maybe I can still do that. And I changed my thinking. And what’s interesting is when I change my thinking of who I was, I’m not.
Speaker2: [01:01:19.10] Old, I’m still.
Beatty: [01:01:21.89] Capable. Then I started to act younger. And it’s the same thing. What you believe. It does determine how you.
Speaker2: [01:01:29.92] Do and what you get.