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Penny: [00:00:04.09] Well, welcome everyone, I’m so glad you’ve joined me again today. My name is Penny and we are here for another session of get sellers calling you. I’m with my great friend. Beatty Carmichael Beatty is the CEO of Master Grabber and the creator of Agent Dominator, one of the top marketing experts in the real estate field. Beatty Welcome.

Beatty: [00:00:27.82] Well, thank you. I’m glad to be back.

Penny: [00:00:30.25] Yeah, glad to have you. What do you have in store for us today?

Beatty: [00:00:34.39] Well, so we’re going to do another session on our what we call a radical faith topic. And for our listeners who are new to the Get Sellers Calling You podcast, we actually do two types of trainings and we alternate one training is entirely on real estate marketing and how to build your real estate business, primarily in terms of how to generate listings. And the other is a totally different topic. We call it radical faith, and it’s all about living your life as a Christian. And so today is the radical faith topic. And if you have no interest in living your life as a Christian or wanting to learn about that, then feel free to turn off this episode and come back on the next one. But if you would like it, this is going to be another really great episode, so I’m real excited of what we’re going to do today.

Penny: [00:01:26.92] Awesome. I’m ready to get started.

Beatty: [00:01:29.14] Well, I am too. So. So we’ve been doing a series called Faith like Jesus and really just kind of taking a deep dove into different parts of what Jesus does in his miracles, what he teaches his disciples and trying to understand a little bit more how to do that. And today’s topic is, how do you believe? Ok, so that’s kind of where we’re going to go today. But just as a short recap. What have we covered so far in our first episode? We talked about faith being a substance that faith is the substance of things hoped for, and that substance is actually something very solid, very specific. We actually talked about examples where where faith would stick on pieces of clothing or even a plastic spoon and and someone else would get healed from that. So we see that there’s an actual spiritual substance there. And then also on that session, we looked a little bit at what faith looks like, and this was a session. If you remember, we talked about Blind Bar Thomas coming to Jesus and Jesus says your faith has healed you. We talked about the woman with a flow of blood. She comes to Jesus and he says, Your faith is healed you. And what’s really interesting with both of those and a number of other times throughout the scriptures, Jesus denies that it was him who healed, but it was their faith.

Beatty: [00:02:58.02] And so we then decided to take a closer look at that. And so in our second session, we looked at miracles that Jesus did, and we found that every type of miracle that Jesus did, whether it’s healing the sick, raising the dead, violating laws of physics, acts of creation, all of these amazing miracles Jesus did. Man had already done those same types of miracles in the Old Testament. So then we we had asked the question, Well, how does Jesus do his miracles? We can’t simply say he did them because he’s God, because then you have to say, Well, then how did the men do them? Ok, so there’s something else there. And that’s when we started to take a little bit deeper. Look at what is faith and what is authority and how does faith and authority connect? And this was our third session, and we started to look at just a real simple example of what faith and authority, how they kind of intersect. And if you recall, this is when we talked about the private who goes to the colonel and says, Colonel, you’re under arrest, right? Yes.

Penny: [00:04:13.32] Okay. I do. Mm hmm.

Beatty: [00:04:15.27] So what was really interesting in that little scenario is the private had no authority to arrest the colonel. Until the general gave the private the authority, and once the general gave the private the authority, even though the private had no authority or power in his own being, he could go in the authority of the general and now he’s more powerful than the colonel. And what we found in that little example is that it comes with faith. There was one private that could not arrest the colonel because he had no faith in his authority. And there was another private who did arrest the colonel because he had complete faith in the authority the general gave him. And so what we started to learn is that faith is what appropriates the authority that God has given us in our lives and that when we walk by faith, we’re walking in his authority. And when we don’t have faith, we’re not able to walk in that authority. Does that make sense?

Penny: [00:05:21.34] It does, yes.

Beatty: [00:05:22.48] Ok. And so then what we kind of concluded with this in looking at it this way is that Jesus, when he did his miracles, he did his miracles. So no, Jesus is fully man and fully God, both combined. But he did as miracles in the position of being men with faith in his position of being fully God. So we have the his position of man interacting with this position of God and what’s connecting them together is faith. Does that make sense?

Penny: [00:05:55.90] It does, yes.

Beatty: [00:05:56.92] Ok. And this is what we assume is also happening with men in the Old Testament. Disciples in the New Testament. And even what we do today is we as men have faith and God’s authority granted us. And then as the Holy Spirit, just like it was with Jesus, the Holy Spirit that comes in and actually does the miracle part. And then last session, we took a one more deeper look and said, Well, if Jesus is acting in his position as man with faith, why is he doing it? What is he trying to do? And we looked at the scriptures, and it seems very strong that the scriptures are indicating that Jesus is modeling how to walk by faith as a man because he teaches what faith is. He does miracles by faith, as is what we’re assessing out of these. And then he rebukes his disciples when they don’t do acts of faith, miraculous acts of faith that he ends up having to do, and he can only rebuke them. If he expected that they could do it should have done it and that they had the authority to do it. Is all that making sense?

Penny: [00:07:14.71] It is, absolutely.

Beatty: [00:07:16.27] So that’s where we that’s where we are now. And so today I want to take a look at how do you believe because faith is all about believing. And so now we want to look at how do you believe OK?

Penny: [00:07:30.54] Sounds great, I’m ready.

Beatty: [00:07:32.13] Perfect. So the question I want to ask is we get started is when Jesus teaches about faith, does he speak literally or figuratively? Ok, just off the cuff. What do you think?

Penny: [00:07:49.28] When he’s speaking about faith,

Beatty: [00:07:51.80] When he’s teaching about faith, there’s a lot.

Penny: [00:07:54.47] I think it might be a little bit of both.

Beatty: [00:07:56.54] Okay, so let’s look at that. Let’s first go to John three. And we’re going to do, by the way, I have to comment. Used to be when we started the radical faith cars you cause it was always, well, I think this and now I’ve seen that it’s always, well, it could be a little bit of both. You know, we’re not going to take a hard position on any one of these anymore.

Penny: [00:08:20.84] So oh, but so much of it is both.

Beatty: [00:08:25.04] So much of it is. Maybe I’ll put it maybe on that one and then we’ll assess at the end of this session, whether you feel this both or not. So. So this is John three, and we’re going to do all this in ESV and we’re going to do this versus one, three four and then verse nine. So one three one three four and verse nine.

Penny: [00:08:49.91] Ok, now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jew Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher. Come from God for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him. Jesus answered him. Truly, truly. I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God, Nicodemus said to him. How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born? And then verse nine reads Nicodemus said to him, How can these things be OK?

Beatty: [00:09:32.06] So now we have this wonderful interaction. Do you believe that you must be born again to enter the Kingdom of God?

Penny: [00:09:42.66] I do.

Beatty: [00:09:43.92] And why is that?

Penny: [00:09:47.13] Because Jesus said that in the Bible.

Beatty: [00:09:49.78] Okay, perfect was Jesus speaking literally.

Penny: [00:09:56.06] No.

Beatty: [00:09:59.68] You want to explain. Here’s why.

Penny: [00:10:04.59] Well, literally would mean exactly what Nicodemus just asked, he said, Am I supposed to crawl back up in my mother’s belly? Have a second verse.

Beatty: [00:10:12.06] Ok, so so let’s. Is Jesus speaking literally even in a spiritual sense? And then again,

Penny: [00:10:22.09] In a spiritual sense, yes.

Beatty: [00:10:23.87] Ok. Ok, so he is speaking literally, it’s just not in the physical sense, but it’s literally in the in the spiritual sense, right?

Penny: [00:10:31.21] Correct. Yes.

Beatty: [00:10:33.49] Did Nicodemus have a hard time believing this?

Penny: [00:10:38.37] Yes.

Beatty: [00:10:39.39] Why is that?

Penny: [00:10:43.04] Well, probably because he was not he was not thinking in a spiritual sense. He didn’t his his mind had not been open to what Jesus was actually referring to. So I think he probably was stuck on the physical part and not necessarily looking at the spiritual aspect.

Beatty: [00:11:02.24] Ok, so this didn’t fit his grid. Yes. His grid was narrow sided. No critical critique against him, but narrow sighted because he has one paradigm and he didn’t consider other paradigms. Does that make sense?

Penny: [00:11:18.80] Yes, absolutely.

Beatty: [00:11:20.18] Ok. I think that, by the way, is what we find a lot of times with this concept of faith. People have one paradigm and they forget that there could be other other solutions. Yes. Let me ask you a question. Do you have a hard time believing this that you must be born again? No. Why not?

Penny: [00:11:38.32] Because it’s what I’ve grown up knowing my whole life.

Beatty: [00:11:42.31] Yeah. Ok, so so so here’s the point I want to kind of underscore here

Penny: [00:11:48.07] I have a grid for it.

Beatty: [00:11:49.57] You have a grid for it. Exactly. You have a grid because it’s what you’ve been taught for years. This is the first time Nicodemus has heard anything like it. And therefore, he doesn’t have a grid for it. So it’s all like, How can this be? Do you see the difference?

Penny: [00:12:04.90] Ok? Totally.

Beatty: [00:12:06.19] Yeah. So here’s kind of the question I want to be asking when Jesus speaks and teaches. When it’s not a parable. Can we generally take his words at face value?

Penny: [00:12:21.44] I think so,

Beatty: [00:12:22.55] Yeah, I think so, too. So let’s look at Mark, 24. Ok.

Penny: [00:12:33.47] Ok, Mark, 11, verse twenty four reads. Therefore, I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it and it will be yours.

Beatty: [00:12:47.72] Okay, so would you like to have a million dollars?

Penny: [00:12:51.36] Yeah, of course.

Beatty: [00:12:53.13] Okay. So does this mean if you pray for a million dollars and believe it, you’ll get it?

Penny: [00:12:57.45] No.

Beatty: [00:12:59.34] But isn’t that what Jesus says? Whatever you ask in prayer, believe you received it and it will be yours. Isn’t that what Jesus said?

Penny: [00:13:08.25] Well, it is what he said, but I don’t think that’s what he was referring to.

Beatty: [00:13:14.22] So we don’t take him literally on this.

Penny: [00:13:19.23] Well, I mean. I don’t think so. I don’t think if I prayed and ask God for a million dollars that he would give me a million dollars and

Beatty: [00:13:29.10] Even if you believe it.

Penny: [00:13:32.41] Even if I believe it, unless he has a reason for me to have a million dollars, then I don’t I don’t know that he’s just going to drop it on my doorstep.

Beatty: [00:13:40.59] I totally get it. So now do you see the conundrum we’re starting to get into?

Penny: [00:13:44.71] Of course.

Beatty: [00:13:45.70] Ok, so let’s assume for a moment that Jesus was speaking literally with Nicodemus, but not in this passage. Ok. Ok. How do we determine if Jesus is speaking literally or figuratively? In other words, what’s the process? Is that personal preference because we simply don’t comprehend it? Or is it scriptural interpretation? Maybe we know of other scriptures that indicate it can’t be taken literally or what? What’s the process to say? Jesus was speaking literally with Nicodemus go in a spiritual sense. And this passage, Jesus is not speaking literally.

Penny: [00:14:25.75] I think the process is to let scripture define scripture.

Beatty: [00:14:29.11] Ok, perfect. So you immediately say Jesus isn’t speaking literally on this. Is there any scripture that you’re basing that on? I mean, I don’t you don’t need a reference in verse, but can you just talk to me what the scripture might be?

Penny: [00:14:43.60] No.

Beatty: [00:14:44.62] Okay, so so now we’re so we’re making a judgment that’s not tied directly to scripture.

Penny: [00:14:54.23] I guess you could say that.

Beatty: [00:14:55.67] Ok. Yeah. And so this is one of the things that we kind of look at and we go, how do we do this? Ok, let’s look at another passage. Ok, Matthew 17, verse 20.

Penny: [00:15:11.89] Ok. Matthew, 17, verse 20 and three.

Beatty: [00:15:15.34] And before you start, let me give the perspective Jesus has just come down from the mount of transfiguration. There’s a commotion at the bottom. There’s a guy with a boy with a demon that throws him into convulsions and his disciples couldn’t cast it out. He rebukes his disciples. He cast it out. And now they ask him, Why could we not cast out this demon? Ok, so now this is Jesus’s response.

Penny: [00:15:42.10] And he said to them, Because of your little faith for truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain move from here to there and it will move and nothing will be impossible for you.

Beatty: [00:15:59.23] Ok, so the mountain will move, there’s Jesus really mean that. Can I move a mountain with faith, a literal mountain like Mount Rushmore? Hey, Mount Rushmore, be taken up and thrown in the Pacific Ocean a thousand miles away.

Penny: [00:16:13.79] No.

Beatty: [00:16:15.04] Okay, nothing will be impossible for you. Is Jesus speaking literally? I want to go to the moon and walk around without a spacesuit.

Penny: [00:16:24.19] Poof. No. No. Okay.

Beatty: [00:16:28.06] If nothing was impossible for us, what would be the implication?

Penny: [00:16:34.00] But you could go to the Moon without a mask.

Beatty: [00:16:37.93] All right, okay. Okay, so these are hard passages to accept literally when you agree.

Penny: [00:16:45.39] Yes, for sure.

Beatty: [00:16:47.02] There’s a group of people who teach that if you just believe enough, anything’s possible. Are you familiar with those types of people?

Penny: [00:16:56.36] Yes.

Beatty: [00:16:57.26] Okay. And so have you ever heard of any of those people getting in trouble by trying to do that? And it’s not. Yes. Okay. So we but here’s a here’s the thing. These are hard passages to accept, literally, but we can’t simply discount them because we don’t agree with them or can’t comprehend how they could be true. As you said, we can only discount them and say it’s either literal or figuratively based on what other scriptures are saying in teaching. But just when we go through these things, we go it’s preposterous because if it’s if anything is possible, then and we can put out real preposterous thing on it and we go, Well, that’s just not possible. So let me ask you a question. When we talk last time about Jesus modeling faith. If Jesus modeled how to walk in faith, would it make sense that he would also teach the full impact of what walking by faith would look like?

Penny: [00:18:07.12] Yes.

Beatty: [00:18:08.31] Okay, so now what we have with these hard things to try to figure out is what I’m going to call a theory of faith. Ok, this is my term. This is not, by the way, this is not a theological term that theologians have come up with. This is Beatty term, the theory, the theory of faith

Penny: [00:18:27.88] And all those I call those penny isms. So this is a Beatty ism.

Beatty: [00:18:32.50] This is a Beatty ism. Sure. Like my theologies that we like, we shared a lot of theologies on salvation by man’s freewill or God’s choosing. Okay, so so the theory of faith. Faith is not a theory. It is a fact. I understand that. But I call this a theory of faith, because until we can live in perfect faith, all of this stuff is entirely theoretical for us. Does that make sense? Yes, it does. Ok, so the theory of faith is actually similar to Einstein’s theory of relativity. Are you familiar with that theory of relativity? Have you heard of it?

Penny: [00:19:10.21] I have. I don’t remember the specifics of it, but yes, I know I’ve heard of it.

Beatty: [00:19:14.98] Okay. So just so real quick. Albert Einstein was considered the smartest man in the world in 1985. He comes up with this theory called The Theory of Relativity, and the whole theory is summarized in the equation equals IMSI squared. Yes, energy is equal to mass times the speed of light squared. But basically what this does is that is it says that you can convert matter into energy. And you can convert energy into matter, but one of the ultimate ultimate things that this teaches. Is it explains what’s needed to reach the speed of light? Hmm. Okay. Mm hmm. And here’s what’s interesting. Theoretically, it’s possible to reach the speed of light, but possibly practically speaking, it’s impossible. So this is why it’s a theory, you know, theoretically, we can do it, but practically speaking, we can’t do it. Does that kind of make sense with some of these other passages we just read?

Penny: [00:20:20.12] Yes, it does.

Beatty: [00:20:21.45] Okay, so here’s the big question if it’s impossible to achieve the speed of light, what good is this theory?

Penny: [00:20:32.42] It’s not any good.

Beatty: [00:20:33.88] No, we would think it’s not any good, it’s just quote unquote entirely theoretical. But actually, there’s a lot of good that comes out of it. Twenty seven years later, 1932, as a direct result of this theory, the atom was split and as a direct result of that, we now have nuclear power. Nuclear power plants, nuclear weapons, all kinds of things directly because of this theory. Also, as a direct result of this theory. We were able to put a man on the Moon as a direct result of this. We also have satellites up in the sky that do all kinds of things for us in our life. And so what happens is, even though we’re not able to reach the speed of light, there’s tremendous benefit. That we can apply the Syrian to our own lives. Does that making sense?

Penny: [00:21:27.52] It does, yeah.

Beatty: [00:21:28.63] Ok. So I think the same thing happens with my theory of faith. So. Why would Jesus say that with faith, you can move a mountain that anything you ask for? You’ll receive and that nothing would be impossible if you only believe? Why would he say that if he did not mean it?

Penny: [00:21:53.14] Huh. I’m not quite sure how to answer. Right?

Beatty: [00:21:58.27] So it’s almost a retort. Yeah, it’s almost a rhetorical question.

Penny: [00:22:02.50] Yes. But let me ask. I mean, I have. I have a thought. Ok, go ahead. Yeah. Ok. My thought is that I mean, it’s actually not a thought. It’s based on how Jesus presents himself in the word. He always speaks in metaphors. He always speaks almost like in parables or pictures or things that made sense in their time. So to me. For instance, this passage the mountain, he’s referring to something that is large and seemingly impossible in my mind. I know that he’s talking about maybe like a physical healing or, you know, maybe you’re struggling in your marriage or your parenting, or you have a child that’s gone astray or something like that. It’s more things that are that you see as like, Oh, wow, I’m facing this major problem. I’m facing this major big thing that I can’t do on my own. That’s kind of how I think about it.

Beatty: [00:23:05.41] I think you’re actually right on that. So with scripture, there are many dimensions of what Jesus teaches. Yes. And I think that’s definitely an application. But but let’s look at it a little bit differently. Ok. If Jesus spoke to the mountain and say be taken up in cash in the to see what had happened.

Penny: [00:23:31.50] If Jesus spoke to it,

Beatty: [00:23:33.63] If Jesus spoke to it.

Penny: [00:23:36.69] I mean, I guess if he wanted to pluck up the mountain and throw it in the sea, then yes.

Beatty: [00:23:42.15] Ok. If Jesus asked for anything that he wanted. And he believed that he would get it. Would he get it?

Penny: [00:23:53.66] I think so. Ok.

Beatty: [00:23:56.86] If was anything impossible to Jesus? No. Ok. How about man could man believe enough to cast a mountain into the sea or believe in anything he wanted and he would receive it?

Penny: [00:24:18.93] Well, based on a little bit about what we talked about last week, if we are in Christ and we’re seated in heavenly places with Christ, Christ is in us, we have the same authority that Jesus had, then the answer should be yes.

Beatty: [00:24:37.54] Ok, but just earlier, we said that believing for a million dollars or walking on the moon is and is preposterous.

Penny: [00:24:46.60] Well, there are physical laws in the natural OK that our physical bodies cannot. We can’t, we can’t get over the fact that there’s no oxygen on the Moon, right?

Beatty: [00:25:00.85] Ok, so so you know, and this is not just having a discussion just to discuss. I’m actually going somewhere very important. If Jesus could actually command a mountain to move and it would move and I’m going to state right up front, I do not believe that is something that a man could ever have enough belief to do. I do not believe a man could ever believe enough that he’s just going to go walk on the moon without a spacesuit and just pop over there. Yeah, okay. I believe Jesus could. Yes. What’s the difference between man and Jesus?

Penny: [00:25:36.88] Well, Jesus says, Holy God, holy god.

Beatty: [00:25:40.82] Right. And let’s go back to what we’re seeing this pattern coming out in scripture, even though he’s fully God, he’s also fully man. He has to teach from his position, a man he’s teaching in modeling about faith, that’s what we saw last last session. And so when he’s making these comments, I believe he’s making these comments from the position of man, not from the position of God, meaning that Jesus in his position as men could have such perfect faith in his authority is being fully God that nothing would be impossible to him. Mm-hmm. But there be a lot of things that. Theoretically, may not be impossible demand, but practically speaking completely are impossible. Does that making sense?

Penny: [00:26:32.67] Yeah, it does.

Beatty: [00:26:33.90] Okay. And so that’s why I call this the theory of faith, because theoretically, it’s possible with Jesus. But practically speaking, it’s impossible with man.

Penny: [00:26:43.65] Yeah.

Beatty: [00:26:44.70] So why is this important? I think this is important. Because even though man may never walk in perfect faith like Jesus can walk in as a position a man, I believe that man can walk in increasing measure of faith and tap into more the authority he’s been given. Just like what we did with the theory relativity, we may never reach the speed of light, but we can start to apply its truths and accomplish a whole lot more than we would ever accomplish without it. Does that make sense?

Penny: [00:27:20.42] It does, absolutely. Yeah.

Beatty: [00:27:22.40] So it kind of gives us the formula if you want to call it of walking by faith. And so. I want to shift gears a little bit now that we’ve kind of got this theory, this theory down, that says maybe what Jesus was saying was literal, but it’s only literal for someone in absolute perfect faith, and no one has absolute perfect faith except Jesus. So it’s even though it’s literal, it’s practically impossible. Is that making sense?

Penny: [00:27:50.57] Yes.

Beatty: [00:27:51.30] Ok, yeah. So now I want it now that we’ve kind of kind of locked that in, let’s talk about how do you believe? Ok? So I remember my pastor friend we call Bob was sharing that a number of years back, there is this church that preached faith. You got to believe you got to believe using these same passages. We all expect whatever you believe, you can have anything. Nothing’s impossible if you only believe. And there is a family there that had a diabetic son on insulin and the pastor kept saying, You just need to believe in this healing and show that belief. Just take them off insulin and believe God. Hmm. And they did. And a short while later, they buried their son. He died. Mm hmm. And the pastor said, Well, that’s because you did not have enough belief. You didn’t believe enough. And unfortunately, he’s technically correct, but also completely wrong. Yeah. It’s one of those things that. But then there’s another example, another case. There are three teenage girls, probably 16, 17, 18 years old. I really love the Lord, they’re out on a mission trip. They’re out evangelizing, and they’re going up into this rural area to go to this tribe of people and share the gospel and they come to this raging river that made it impossible to get across. And they said. You know, we’ve been taught about faith that all you have to do is believe, let’s believe in faith that the river will part just as it did with the Nation of Israel when they went across the Jordan River as they were going toward Jericho. Let’s just walk through the river and trust God to it, OK? Mm-hmm. So they believe by faith. And what do you think happened?

Penny: [00:29:45.31] I’m guessing they probably got wet.

Beatty: [00:29:47.95] Well, three days later, they found the bodies. Yeah. So they did not have faith. See, the evidence of faith would be. The boy living without insulin or the river parting and these girls getting across, so the clear answer is they did not have faith, but they believe that they did. So here’s the confusion. The Bible says Jesus says that if you only believe enough, anything is possible, and we’re having a lot of trouble taking his words literally because we can think of all kinds of situations that are preposterous. If we take his words, literally, so he has to be speaking figuratively. Does that make sense?

Penny: [00:30:39.89] It does, yeah.

Beatty: [00:30:41.33] But I would like to suggest that he is speaking 100 percent literal. It’s just that we’re looking at this with the wrong paradigm of what he’s actually saying. Like with what happened with Nicodemus. So there are two types of faiths, one that I’m going to call false faith and the other I’m going to call true faith. False faith is when you believe with your mind, it’s an act of your will. True faith is when you believe with your heart and it comes scripturally, no one from hearing the word of Christ, that’s the raima of crisis, a special type of word is a ramus of truth. And then by faith, we understand that truth of God. And once we’ve heard the truth and we understand it, then we believe it in our heart. And that’s what faith is. Those girls trying to cross the river. They believed in their mind. But I can guarantee you they do not believe in their heart because true faith is only in the heart. Does this make some sense?

Penny: [00:31:48.91] It is. Yeah.

Beatty: [00:31:49.89] Okay. Let’s talk real quickly. Try to help clarify a little bit more. John 3:16 Do you remember what that verse says?

Penny: [00:31:57.49] I do.

Beatty: [00:31:58.66] All right.

Penny: [00:32:00.16] For God’s love the world that he gave his only son that whoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life.

Beatty: [00:32:06.70] Yeah, whoever believes in Jesus will have everlasting life, eternal life. So if you simply believe it to be true in your mind, an intellectual belief, does that save you?

Penny: [00:32:23.33] Well, um, according to that verse, yeah,

Beatty: [00:32:28.01] Well, OK, I think I don’t think that’s what that verse is saying, believe India. Ok, so. So this is a good. Does the devil believe? In Jesus. That Jesus was the son of God, that Jesus was God himself, that Jesus, the son of God, became flesh and that he died for everyone since does the devil believe that?

Penny: [00:32:49.83] Yes, he does.

Beatty: [00:32:52.25] Does he have eternal life? No. Are there people that believe intellectually think about some of the people in different denominations that go to church that they’ve heard all their life? Jesus is the son of God. He is God. He died for a sense. And you ask him, Hey, who is Jesus? Oh, he’s the son of God. What did he do? He died for our sins. Are there any of those people who do not have eternal life and will not be going to heaven?

Penny: [00:33:20.66] Yes.

Beatty: [00:33:21.65] Ok, so they believe with their mind, but they don’t have eternal life. Correct? Yeah. Okay. So believing. For eternal life, as you must believe in your heart.

Penny: [00:33:35.86] Hmm.

Beatty: [00:33:36.76] That Jesus is the Christ. And that’s where you have salvation. And a lot of the faith preachers simply preach. If you believe enough, then whatever you say will come true. And that’s kind of that name it and claim it. Yeah. What they’re doing is they’re teaching the words, Jesus said. But they’re not teaching what Jesus said. Yeah. Because of that, a lot of people get in trouble. So let’s look at what Jesus actually taught. Can we do that?

Penny: [00:34:07.97] Well, yeah, absolutely.

Beatty: [00:34:09.27] So we’re going to go back to mark 11. And we’re going to read verses 23 through 24.

Penny: [00:34:18.08] Ok, Mark, 11, twenty three, three, twenty four says, truly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain be taken up and thrown into the sea and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says will come to pass. It will be done for him. Therefore, I tell you whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it and it will be yours.

Beatty: [00:34:43.70] Ok, so this is one of those passages we just recently read. It’s hard to grasp to take it literally. Ok, but let’s look at it a little bit closer, he says to you can say this mountain be taken up and thrown in the sea and does not doubt in his heart. So he uses this word in his heart. Then, he says, but believes what he says. So we know that that means, but believes in his heart that come to pass. And then he says, whatever you pray and ask, believe, and we know that means to believe in your heart. That you’ve received an you’re so we can all of the words believe hear reference in your heart because he’s talking about doubting in your heart versus believing in your heart. Is does that? Do you see that pattern? I do. Yeah. Okay. So where is your heart? Is it in your mind or in your spirit,

Penny: [00:35:40.95] In your spirit?

Beatty: [00:35:42.06] Yeah, I send your spirit. It’s your spirit that’s reborn. Not your mind. Mm hmm. That’s why you have to renew your mind, OK? Yes. And that’s why you believe with your heart, not with your mind. And it says that God is spirit in truth. You don’t communicate to God with your mind if his spirit, you communicate with your heart, which is the spiritual part, a man and so believing with the mind is of no avail. You only believe with your heart. And let’s look at this, and let’s back it up a little bit more. Let’s go to Ephesians one, 17 and 18. Ok.

Penny: [00:36:24.85] All right. Ephesians chapter one verse 17 and 18 says that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the father of glory, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him having the eyes of your heart enlightened that you may

Beatty: [00:36:42.10] Ok having the eyes of your heart enlightened. That’s a spiritual term, those are your spiritual eyes, enlightenment is a spiritual term. This is saying that the eyes of your heart, this is that spirit man. When your eyes are open, you could you believe the spiritual truth? Right? Mm hmm. Mm hmm. So that’s what this is talking about. Let’s go to Romans 02:29. Let’s look at what it says about the heart.

Penny: [00:37:10.84] All right. Romans two twenty nine says but a Jew is one inwardly and circumcision as a matter of the heart, by the spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man, but from God.

Beatty: [00:37:25.90] Ok, so this is talking. Paul is talking about Jews say, Hey, we’re Jews and we’re circumcised. So we’re children of vision of Abraham. And he says, No, no, no. You got it wrong. The promise of Abraham. Is not based on physical circumcision, but spiritual circumcision. The true Drew is not the one who’s circumcised outwardly, but inwardly as a matter, the heart by the spirit. The heart is spirit, do you see that connection?

Penny: [00:37:55.64] Yeah, I do.

Beatty: [00:37:56.81] Okay, let’s look at one more. Romans 10 nine.

Penny: [00:38:00.75] Ok. Ok. Romans 10 verse nine reads, because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart, that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Beatty: [00:38:16.41] So this goes right back to what we said about John 3:16. You can’t believe with your mind. Yes, it’s believing with your heart. And he says that you must believe with your heart. And then you will be saved. So what we see is that faith is not of the mind. Faith is of the heart. All these passages that Jesus is talking about, believing he’s talking about believing by faith. Of the heart, not of the mind. Do you see the difference now? Yes. Do you see why these people who’ve been preaching you just have to believe enough? Why so many people get hurt by that because they don’t understand what the belief is all about?

Penny: [00:38:56.48] Mm hmm. Okay. So, yeah, because it goes back to a relationship. It goes back to believing in the person and the authority that he carries and how it’s then transferred to us.

Beatty: [00:39:10.22] Yes, I want to change the term relationship because I think it’s a little bit different. There is a relationship there, but it goes back to the fact that what faith comes from hearing the word of Christ, not it’s not having a relationship with crisis, hearing the word of Christ and the word of Christ. The God, Jesus says in John, 17, and as high priestly prayer, he says your word is truth. So what we see is that faith comes from hearing the truth of God. This is what we talked about at a session or two ago that faith is the knowing of God’s truth. It’s God’s perspective that truth is immutable. It is absolute, and so faith has to be rooted first and foremost on God’s truth now as we grow in our relationship with the Lord. He reveals more of his truth, but ultimately faith is hearing the truth. Understanding the truth and then believing the truth in our heart is that does that clarification make sense? Yeah, it does. Okay. And here’s something also interesting with faith because faith is of the heart and not of the mind. It doesn’t take any effort. Mm hmm. You don’t try to believe, OK, you don’t will yourself to believe, like I remember, I mentioned this earlier, but some dear friends of ours, their daughter was having a real difficult pregnancy and there was a lot of concern that the baby would be born stillborn. And so they were frantic. They did not want that, and they believe they believed that God was going to heal that baby and the baby came out dead. And they were crushed because they believed. But can you tell the amount of emotional effort that they were putting in to believe that the baby? Did you see where I’m going? Yeah, true faith takes no effort.

Beatty: [00:41:26.28] But when you start to strive to believe that’s not faith, when you start to strive, when you pray in faith, that’s not faith. That’s false faith, not true faith, and maybe an easy way to look at this as think about gravity. You know, you put your phone down on something. Yes, you simply put it down. You don’t even have to. You don’t strive or worry about, is it going to stay on that surface? There’s no effort on your mind. You don’t even give it a second thought. In fact, you probably don’t even think about it at all. Yeah, you just it’s just this deep intrinsic knowing I put the phone on the table. It’s just going to stay there, OK? That’s what that’s what faith is like. It’s the absolute knowing God’s truth and that you don’t even think about it. But in looking at these. Two things I’m calling true faith and false faith. True faith is that which is believing in your heart because it’s the knowing of God’s truth. And that false faith where people get hurt is believing with your mind and it’s willing yourself to believe. And that’s where people fall down. Ok, so now that we understand Jesus is talking about faith of the heart and not of the mind. I want to talk about what I call the all things discourses that Jesus talks about. These are those passages. We just have a really tough time trying to understand. So let’s go back if we can. To Matthew 21 verses 18 through 22.

Penny: [00:43:09.61] Ok. Matthew, twenty one verse, eighteen through twenty two says in the morning as he was returning to the city, he became hungry and seeing a fig tree by the wayside. He went to it and found nothing on it, but only leaves. And he said to it, May no fruit ever come from you again. And the fig tree withered at once. When the disciples saw it, they marveled, saying, How did the fig tree wither at once? And Jesus answered them. Truly, I say to you, if you have faith and you do not doubt, you will not only do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain be taken up and thrown into the sea, it will happen. And whatever you ask for in prayer, you will receive if you have faith.

Beatty: [00:43:58.34] Wow, so now we get the bigger picture. Earlier, we had just a sound bite, say to this mountain and do not doubt it will move or whatever you ask him prayer you’ll receive. Now we got the bigger picture, so the bigger picture is Jesus had just cursed this fig tree. They came back. The fig tree was now dead. They asked him about it, and now he’s using the fig tree to teach. A truth about faith. Right? Mm hmm. Notice what Jesus says with faith. You cannot only do what was done to the fig tree. Is Jesus speaking literally or figuratively?

Penny: [00:44:41.62] Hmm. That’s a good question.

Beatty: [00:44:44.91] Because they’re looking at this fig tree that’s just died in Jesus and now saying, you see what just happened to the fig tree, you can do that too. Mm hmm. He’s speaking very literally. He’s taking a literal issue, something that just happened, and now he’s teaching from that. So watch this. You can not only do what was done to the fig tree, so that’s literal. And then he says, even if you say to this mountain, he’s using a specific mountain, this mountain that we’re on. If you say to this mountain be taken up, it will happen. So what’s interesting is as we look at the bigger picture in context of this passage, what Jesus is teaching appears to be very literal, as tangible as what he’s pointing these things out and saying this fig tree, you could do the same thing this mountain. You could actually, with faith, if you believe in your heart, you can cause it to go to the sea. And then he ends with a statement. Whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive if you have faith. So I don’t think he’s starting literal about a fig tree and then metaphorically shifting in midstream and talking about a mountain, and anything’s possible. The pattern appears to be what he’s talking about starts literal and therefore it ends literal. If if he if he were to be teaching, if he never walked on the water. Imagine for a moment, he said, and you could even if you believe enough, you could even walk on the water. We would be over here arguing whether that was literally or figuratively, because that’s preposterous. But he actually walked on the water. So if he were to teach it and Peter walked on the water for a short time, so if if he were to use that as an example, we would know that he’s teaching it, literally. Does that make sense?

Penny: [00:46:36.59] It does, yeah.

Beatty: [00:46:37.85] So I believe this is literal. And look at this a little bit closer to when he says whatever you ask in prayer you will receive, there’s no prequalification on that. He doesn’t say whatever you ask in prayer if it is my will. He doesn’t say whatever you ask in prayer. Only if my father told you to believe in it, he simply says whatever. Now keep in mind, we’re talking from what I’m calling the position of theory of faith. Jesus is speaking what is possible with perfect faith and full authority. I’m not suggesting that some of these things are practical with men, but we got to look at first, what is he teaching and is he teaching something truthfully and literally or simply metaphorically? Ok? Does that make sense?

Penny: [00:47:33.83] Yes, it does. Yeah.

Beatty: [00:47:37.37] So what strikes me when I look at this is the absolute power of faith. Jesus says you two can curse a fig tree and they’ll wither. He says if you believe enough, you can even speak to a mountain and they’ll be thrown in the sea. And if you believe enough, whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive Jesus, and that puts no strengths or limitations. One hundred percent of anything you ask for it by faith, he says, will be granted. Our problem in receiving this and believing it is what we think of as faith. Is not what he’s speaking of, his faith. We think we have faith because we go pray for someone and nine out of 10 people get healed. Jesus would laugh at us with that, he said. You don’t have faith. Go pray for that person in the wheelchair with multiple sclerosis. Go pray for that dead person. And let’s say how much faith you know Jesus would laugh at it. For him, there was no big deal. We think that’s faith he calls that minuscule faith. Does that make sense? Mm hmm. So when when he teaches this, we have to understand the perspective that he’s teaching from with perfect faith. All things are possible, but that’s that perfect, true faith, the true faith of the heart, the full knowing of God’s truth without any doubting. But even though it is. Theoretical, if we want to call it that, it still gives us guidance into how we apply faith. I want to look at one other passage tied to the same one. So this is a companion passage and it’s Matthew 11 versus 22 and 23. So this excuse me, Mark 11, 22 and 23. So this is Mark’s recounting of the same thing, but he adds something a little bit different that helps clarify what’s going on.

Penny: [00:49:40.46] Ok, Mark eleven twenty two and twenty three and Jesus answered them. Have faith in God. Truly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain be taken up and thrown into the sea and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says will come to pass, it will be done for him.

Beatty: [00:50:00.54] All right, footed, Mark. Add in this passage that wasn’t in the other passage.

Penny: [00:50:07.77] Have faith in God.

Beatty: [00:50:09.42] Oh, so now we qualified a little bit further. I love what the passion translation does. It says, Let the faith of God be in you. Mm-hmm. So now we’re starting to see a different picture of what this faith is. If it’s the faith of God and not your faith, it totally changes everything. Do you see that?

Penny: [00:50:30.84] Yes, absolutely.

Beatty: [00:50:32.46] Ok. And I think you could kind of transliterated let the faith of God be in. You let the truth of God be in you because it’s God’s faith in our church. And and this is that faith in the authority that he’s given us. So I want to look at something similar to this. It’s a different, a different passage, but move over to mark nine verses, 14 through 24. And what I want us to say is is a pattern that Jesus keeps saying the same thing. If Jesus keeps saying the same thing, he must mean what he’s saying. Ok. Does that make sense?

Penny: [00:51:11.04] It does, yeah.

Beatty: [00:51:11.95] Okay, so let’s look at this.

Penny: [00:51:15.57] Ok, Mark, nine, 14 through twenty three

Beatty: [00:51:19.20] Through 24,

Penny: [00:51:20.68] Through 24, OK. And when they came to the disciples, they saw a great crowd around them and scribes arguing with them and immediately all the crowd when they saw him were greatly amazed, amazed and ran up to him and greeted him. And he asked them, What are you arguing about with them? And someone from the crowd answered him, teacher, I brought my son to you for he has the spirit that makes him mute. And whenever it seizes him, it throws him down and he phones and grinds his teeth and becomes rigid. So I asked your disciples to cast it out, and they were not able. And Jesus answered them, Oh, faithless generation generation, how long am I to be with you? How long am I to bear with you? Bring him to me. And they brought the boy to him. And when the spirit saw Jesus immediately, it convulsed the boy and he fell on the ground and rolled about foaming at the mouth. And Jesus asked his father, How long has this been happening to him? The father said from childhood, and it has often cast him into the fire and into water to destroy him. But if you can do anything, have compassion on us and help us. And Jesus said to him, If you can, all things are possible for one one who believes immediately the father of the child cried out and said, I do believe, but help my unbelief.

Beatty: [00:52:51.24] Ok, so now we see in another completely different example, Jesus declares, All things are possible if you believe. And so he’s reinforcing what he said earlier. And he’s making a statement. I believe that makes it very hard to discount that. He’s speaking at face value. Earlier said whatever you believe. You will receive here, he says all things are possible if you believe.

Penny: [00:53:20.26] Mm hmm.

Beatty: [00:53:21.03] Is there anything excluded from all things?

Penny: [00:53:24.99] No, no.

Beatty: [00:53:27.06] Then also look at look at the father’s comment. I do believe helped my own belief. What’s interesting is this is showing the two things we’re talking about about faith. I do believe he’s talking about, I believe in my heart. But then he says help my unbelief because he has doubt in his head. He believes in his heart, but he doesn’t believe in his head. Does that make sense?

Penny: [00:53:54.24] Mm hmm.

Beatty: [00:53:55.35] And here’s something also real interesting. You can have faith in your heart, even if you have doubt in your head. Mm-hmm. You don’t have to believe with the mind to have faith. Because faith is spiritual. God is spirit. And it all happens in the spirit realm, it doesn’t happen in your mind. Now it obviously helps a lot if you actually intellectually believe what you’re doing. But this shows that the only thing that it took. For the father son to be healed was for him to have enough faith in his heart to bring his son to Jesus. Hmm. But yet he agrees right off the bat. Help my unbelief because I really doubt. So, so this is, I think, where people get it wrong, people merely believe that if you believe it to be true, that’s faith. But there’s so many sad stories of people who actually believed it to be true, and they ended up dead or maiming themselves for all kinds of things because they believed it in their head. And you can believe so hard in your head that you actually convince yourself it’s true, even though it’s not.

Penny: [00:55:13.14] Does that make sense? Yeah, it does.

Beatty: [00:55:15.21] So it has nothing to do with your head. It has everything to do with your heart. And it’s not just believing enough and it’ll happen. It’s. Believing in your heart, I want to share an interesting vision that my son, Beatty Jr. had, so my son spends. The Lord gives him a lot of visions and a lot of other things. And he was asking the Lord to teach him a little more about faith one time. And so in this vision, Beatty said that faith shot out of his belly. And here’s what’s interesting. The belly area, I believe, is kind of like the the location of your spiritual heart. I don’t know how to describe it, except I know in deliverance ministry when you’re, you know, casting out demons and stuff, the demonic spirits tend to kind of congregate in your in your belly region. You’ll start to feel really upset and people will want to start to throw up. There’s just something about it. Ok, so that’s kind of an FYI. But anyway, back to this vision, faith shoots out of his belly in a surge of power, like a lightning bolt. And he said that lightning bolt was headed straight to the heart of God, and it was so powerful that even mighty angels had to jump out of the way before it ran right through them. And then and then when it hit God’s heart, God had bound himself to always act on it.

Beatty: [00:56:47.08] So if we go back to the passion translation, have faith in God where it says, Have the faith of God in you? Hmm. We start to look at what faith really is. Faith is the knowing of God. Faith comes from God, right? It says in Romans 12 that he assigns a measure of faith to people. So faith is not from our own being. It’s from God when we act in faith. It goes straight back to the heart of God. And you remember, I think it was our first session. I asked or I said, Hey, faith seems to be like sin, does that sound right? You say no, that don’t sound right at all. And and I said that like sin, you have an evil spirit. That sin gives it a right to come in and attack. Faith gives the Holy Spirit a right, so to speak, to come in and bless. It’s almost like the Holy Spirit is always looking for faith, so it can immediately act on faith. That’s kind of what this vision is saying that as soon as you act with faith, it goes straight to the heart of God. And it’s so powerful that God has bound himself to always act and respond on faith. Does that make sense?

Penny: [00:58:00.18] It does, yeah.

Beatty: [00:58:01.59] And I think that’s part of what we’re seeing with these comments by Jesus, with faith that perfect faith, all things are possible because that perfect faith taps into God’s perfect authority and with his authority, all things are possible. That’s why Jesus can do it because he has perfect faith in his authority. Mm hmm. We in falling our fallen nature, we only have imperfect faith. Mm hmm. So as we wrap up, let’s talk about some takeaways real quick. I think there are three takeaways, OK? Number one. When Jesus teaches on faith, he means what he says. Okay. We have to look at it what I call that theory of faith. Okay. He’s teaching what perfect faith looks like, not necessarily what we can do because we don’t have perfect faith. But if we had perfect faith, here’s what it looks like. And even though we may not have perfect faith, it shows us what we can grow into. And he’s telling us basically what is possible, and we should always because that we can always be pressing in for more where we are is not where it ends. Does that make sense?

Penny: [00:59:19.52] Absolutely, yeah.

Beatty: [00:59:21.35] I think the second takeaway is that true faith is of the heart. It’s not the naiman and claimant of the mind, and true faith is based on God’s truth in his authority that he’s given us. It’s knowing that truth, understanding that truth, and then you believe that truth, but it’s often the heart. It has nothing to do with believing in your mind. And then the final takeaway, we didn’t really talk on this application, but the final takeaway is with true faith, that perfect faith, all things are possible, so we need to be testing it out. Ok? Jesus taught and modeled what a man walking in perfect faith looks like, and he’s teaching his disciples to walk in faith. This is why he constantly rebuked them. You a little faith. Why did you doubt OK? He’s telling them there’s so much more that you can do by faith. And and I think we need to take him at his word and test that faith, we need to experiment. This is actually what I do. Ok, but here’s a hint. If you’re going to test the faith and the authority that he gives you, start small where you don’t get hurt if you fail. Ok. Yeah. Does that make sense?

Penny: [01:00:43.05] Yes.

Beatty: [01:00:43.77] Ok, so if you can only lift one hundred and fifty pounds? Don’t say, don’t say I have faith and belief to lift 1500 pounds because you’re going to hurt yourself.

Penny: [01:00:52.50] That’s right.

Beatty: [01:00:53.73] If you’re sick and you’re taking medicine, don’t say, Well, I have faith that God has healed me and stop taking your medicine. You’re going to hurt yourself, OK? That’s right. Be wise with this. So look at those things that you can do that if you fail, you don’t get hurt. Like, go pray for people for healing. Take the authority that God gives us and say in Jesus name, I commend you to be healed. And start doing that and see if they get healed or the Bible says very clearly, what is it? Second Corinthians nine and Malachi three that you cannot out give God’s ability to take care of you. He says that as you give, I’ll open up the storehouses of heaven and pour additional blessings into you. In fact, we actually talked about this. We did two sessions for a long time back called financial stewardship on tithing and offerings. And so maybe one way to test your faith is if you’re giving 20 percent, increase it to 30. If you’re giving five percent, increase it to 15, you’re not going to get hurt, but you can see what your faith can do and what God will do in return. Does that make sense? Yeah.

Penny: [01:02:03.02] Yes, absolutely.

Beatty: [01:02:04.82] Maybe another simple way to test this faith is just to pray for divine appointments, to share the gospel with someone. Lord, I’m trusting you today for two divine appointments for me to be able to engage in conversation and share the gospel song. You’re not going to get hurt if you fail. But what’s going to happen in all of these is, as you see God, start answering your prayers by faith, then you start to believe it more. And now you’re your faith is strengthened, and now you can be bolder in your faith and do even more. Is this you’re following the pattern?

Penny: [01:02:41.36] I am. Yeah, absolutely.

Beatty: [01:02:43.19] So those are just some things. Before we officially wrap up, what questions might you think our listeners may be asking? On any of this,

Penny: [01:02:56.70] I think I feel like I’m going to repeat this from last week, but I think a lot of people and you, you pretty much already answered this, but just the practical aspect of, OK, how does this look for me to exercise my faith when I’m going out into my job tomorrow or I’m at the baseball field with the kids or whatever? Practically, how does this look? I always think of people, myself included, like how does what is the practical life application? Because it’s easy to hear the stories. It’s it’s easy to hear the scripture. It’s easy to think in my heart, OK, I believe that. But what does it look like in real life?

Beatty: [01:03:36.66] You know, I think the easiest way to answer it, let me share a Real-Life example. I do this all the time. The easiest thing. So I’m looking for ways to impart God’s truth and peace and blessing and healing into people, you know, get in the gospel presentation and everything else. I’m looking for an inroad that I can then engage with someone. So I found the simplest way to do it is to say, Hey, is there anything I can pray for you about? Mm-hmm. And just said, Is there anything I can pray for you about? So here’s what happened. I’m on the call. I’m with one of our clients, OK? Actually, he wasn’t a client. I was doing some sort of a Zoom interview with this guy on something we were doing. So this is a real estate agent, very successful real estate agent. And at the end of the thing I said, Hey, before we leave, is there anything I can pray for you about? And he kind of looked and this guy said, no, I think I’m pretty good. I said, Do you have any pain or sickness that you would like go to Hill? So, well, yeah, you know, I used to play baseball years ago, and he’s rolling his right shoulder right now as he’s talking, you know, my right shoulder is always really stiff in a lot of pain. Oh, cool. Well, I think God will heal it right now. Would you like him to heal it? Well, yeah, you can see this face of doubt again.

Penny: [01:05:00.84] Yeah.

Beatty: [01:05:01.50] So, so watch this. Let me just pray for I said, Lord, thank you for whatever his name is. And I said, You heal the shoulder shoulder in Jesus name. All the pain go out. All the mobility, all full motion. Come back in right now. So now test it out. I mean, literally, that’s all it was. It was like just a couple of seconds. Keep in mind, faith takes no effort. That’s right, OK? And so he started moving that shoulder and you saw this expression. Oh, my gosh. The pain is gone. You know, I can move and he’s he’s now moving his arm and then his left arm. And he can move his right arm in the same range of motion, his left arm, he hadn’t been able to do that in a long time years.

Penny: [01:05:45.18] That’s awesome.

Beatty: [01:05:45.93] I said, You know what just happened? He said, No, he said what? I said, Jesus just healed you.

Penny: [01:05:51.06] That’s right.

Beatty: [01:05:52.11] And then so this is, you know, how do we apply this in our daily lives? Then and then said, so here’s what I’ve learned. If I get an opportunity to pray for people I think can then go into a couple of what I call diagnostic questions to share the gospel. So then I said, So do you know what just happened? He said, No, what? I said, Jesus just healed you. Oh, wow, that’s pretty cool, and do you know why Jesus did that? So he said no, why, he said, because he wants a personal relationship with you now. And then I said, may I ask you a spiritual question? Ok, so now here’s the pattern we’re in this spiritual mode because I’m praying for him. So now I am. And by the way, if they don’t get healed or they don’t have any pain or sickness, simply the fact that I asked, Can I pray for you on anything gives me the right and an easy entry to say, can I ask you a spiritual question? So I said, can ask you a spiritual question? He said, Sure. I said, If you were to die tonight, do you know for certain that you go to heaven? And he said, no. I said, So let me ask you a second question like that. If you were to die tonight and stand before God and he would ask you, Why should I let you in heaven? What would you tell them? And he kind of fumbled and said, Well, you know, I’ve been a good person and I try my best, you know, basic works answer.

Beatty: [01:07:18.12] Sure. Yeah. Would you like to know? Well, first off, that’s not the right answer. Ok. Would you like to know what the right answer is? And then I was able to share the gospel and lead him to Christ. That’s awesome. That’s how this can start to be applied on our next session, which I believe will be our last one. We’re actually going to go into much more detail on application now that we kind of laid the groundwork. Jesus, I believe, walked by faith in position of man in his authority as position of God. He was teaching his disciples what to do. He modeled for it. He rebuked them when they didn’t do it. And in these passages today, he’s 100 percent face value teaching what faith can do. But it’s the theory of faith because it’s perfect faith. Even though we don’t have perfect faith, we can grow into that direction. And next and final session working now, wrap all this together and show you how to start applying it.

Penny: [01:08:17.58] That’s awesome. Well, baby, thank you so much. This was a this was just a great session today, and I really do appreciate you taking the time and effort, as always, to put into the study, but also to give our listeners just sort of a practical way to implement this into their own lives, their own personal lives and the ease, the ease of the questions and things that they can do and how they can pray for people. And I just think that was great. So thank you so much for today. Do you have any final thoughts before we close out today’s podcast call?

Beatty: [01:08:53.34] You know, only Final Thoughts is if you like this. Subscribe, so you get more of them and please tell others about it. We actually have radical faith on two channels. It’s the same call we just posted in two different areas. Radical faith is on our get sellers calling you, which is what we do for real estate agents. And then we carved the radical faith training entirely by itself, and we put that into its own separate channel called Get Radical Faith. So if you know someone that’s not a real estate agent, but you think they would enjoy this, have them go to the channel, get radical faith and they get the same great content, they’re awesome.

Penny: [01:09:34.05] Well, thank you again, Beatty, and thank you to all of you who are listening. I agree. Please share and please listen. Sometimes it helps if you listen to something twice, just like if you’re reading through a book, you kind of have the opportunity then to get something the second time that you might not have heard the first time. So we bless you today, and we look forward to joining you again for our next one. Beatty Thank you again, and we’ll see you next time.